Please excuse the personal reference…. My mom used to say “You can always trust a thief but you can NEVER trust a liar”.
I always found that saying confusing at best, but I knew the point she was trying to get across to my brother and me as we were growing up.
If you know someone is a thief, so to speak, you can always keep an eye out or you can simply limit that person’s access to your property.
On the other hand, if a friend or a relative is a compulsive liar, where do you begin to figure out if what is being said is true or not?
I am somewhat amused by the HLN hosts who constantly refer to Casey as either a sociopath or a pathological liar. I do not have an appreciation of the difference between the two categories and I am not sure if there is even a difference. I wonder if an email went out from the HLN exec’s to the hosts of the HLN shows about the terminology to use for Casey’s lying.
Jose Baez, Casey’s attorney, beat the prosecution to the punch in describing Casey as a compulsive liar. I am sure he did that because he could use adjectives to tone down the reference to lying where Jeff Ashton might have used stronger adjectives and would have repeated them over and over until they sunk in with the jury.
On a scale, I do not know the order of severity of sociopath, pathological liar, habitual liar, compulsive liar and chronic liar. My guess would be the list I just gave is probably in order from most severe to least severe. If anyone reading this can add clarity to this list, please, respond with your thoughts.
So, how does all this fit in to where I am going with this blog?
Nancy “Twin Mom” Grace, on recent shows, has been focusing on Casey Anthony’s predisposition to lying, saying that we should not believe ANYTHING coming out of her mouth.
So, here is the rub. Last night Nancy enlightened her audience about five “facts” that the jury did not see or hear that “could have nailed Tot Mom, Casey Anthony on Murder One on the death and disappearance of two year old little Caylee, Tot Mom’s only child.” “Damning evidence hidden from the Tot Mom jury all kept out at trial – key evidence that could have sent Tot Mom to Florida’s death row.”
One of the “facts” was info from two jail “snitches” that heard Casey talking about using Chloroform on Caylee at night so Caylee would go to sleep for an extended period of time and Casey could go out to party at night.
Testimony from “snitches” is always considered suspect to say the least, because usually “snitches” are given deals for their testimony – either a reduced sentence or privileges they are currently not receiving. Please understand that I am not saying that the “snitches” were lying. Please read on.
From those two “snitches”, however, Nancy deduced two things – the first being that Casey frequently used Chloroform on Caylee and that she murdered Caylee in a premeditated manner with the Chloroform. In addition, Nancy also deduced that what Casey is accused of telling the “snitches” was the truth. Wow, so Nancy now believes that Casey SOMETIMES tells the truth? Now I am really confused.
Anyone reading my blog for the past month has read my comments where I presented the Chloroform theory as a possibility – no, more like a probability. But, please keep in mind that it was SPECULATION on my part. My thoughts were not based on anything Casey said specifically.
If Nancy considers Casey to be either a sociopath or a pathological liar, how can she “believe” that EVEN if Casey said those things to the “snitches”, why would Nancy believe Casey to be telling the truth – especially if Nancy believes EVERYTHING coming out of Casey’s mouth to be a lie.
Also, even if Casey “drugged” Caylee fairly frequently with Chloroform so she could go out and lead the “Beautiful Life”, the one time Caylee died because of Chloroform would most likely be an accidental overdose and not a premeditated dose to kill Caylee.
Nancy wants her cake and she wants to eat it too. Does Nancy really believe that America is stupid? Does she really believe that everyone watching her show believes all the words coming out of her mouth – beyond a reasonable doubt?
Nancy needs to have all of her supporters believe everything she says about Casey because Nancy has crucified Casey for three years – using what the CIA would categorize as “proven torture techniques” on all her viewers into thinking that if she repeats herself over and over again the way that the SLA did to Patty Hearst and the way the North Vietnamese did to captured American prisoners of war, her viewers would be brainwashed into Nancy’s sermon on the mount regarding Casey.
Nancy serves her viewers “Kool Aid” every night and many of them fall for it. The five degrees of lying I listed above applies, in my estimation, to Nancy as much as it does Casey.
Finishing up with last night’s show, after Nancy discussed the five things that were not presented to the jury, Nancy went from guest to guest to guest asking them – no, encourage each of them to agree that if the jury did see and/or hear these five new pieces of evidence they would absolutely have returned a guilty verdict of Murder in the First Degree.
Nancy also spoke of Casey almost collapsing when Casey saw that remains were found that ultimately turned out to be Caylee. Nancy first turned to Robyn Walensky and Robyn said the evidence could have played both ways – at that moment Nancy immediately interrupted Robyn because she was “off script” and she then turned to Ellie Jostad, a Nancy Grace producer who did not totally support Nancy’s assumption. Then Nancy turned to Pat Brown, a highly regarded criminal profiler, who said that the jury would have excused anything away – again, Nancy interrupted Pat Brown because she was “off script” and she went back to Ellie.
I was getting dizzy because it was like I was watching a Merry-Go-Round and each guest was going around faster and faster and Nancy took exception to each of them – Nancy was getting more frustrated because no one was buying into her new reasons as to how the jury could have nailed Tot Mom.
Then Nancy ‘Unleased the Lawyers’ – Eleanor Odum, in D. C., Peter Odum, in Atlanta, and Renee Rockwell, in Atlanta.
Eleanor said that the evidence should have been given to the jury and let them decide on it but then Eleanor said “as Pat Brown said that it probably would not have mattered much to this jury and you hate to try to second guess….”. Nancy interrupted Eleanor before she could finish and shifted to Peter Odum and he said “I don’t think this would have made one lick of difference to this jury – I think the prosecutors made decisions about what to present – not to present – and the bottom line is that all these pieces of evidence are ambiguous and there is not a confession of murder in there…..” Nancy interrupted Peter and shifted to Renne Rockwell, who said “Nancy, I think the whole case was doomed from the start with the charging decision…. Nancy interrupted again saying “That’s not what I asked you” and then Renne continued “the decision to charge murder one there was obviously a lot of defense rulings that kept evidence out”.
Nancy takes liberties – even when she is interviewing her handpicked guests that tend to act like bobble heads BUT tonight, it appears like everyone sort of, kind of, stood up to Nancy and let their true opinions come out and Nancy looked like she was in a tizzy trying to find that ONE person in the world who would buy into her assumptions.
Nancy really appears to be close to a meltdown – most commonly referred to as a nervous breakdown – she appears to be truly scared to death of being sued by Baez and Casey and she is on a mission to obsessively and compulsively attack and discredit Casey in any way possible so she, herself, can be vindicated for her barrage of attacks on Casey over the years – and especially since the verdicts were handed down.
Again, I am for justice. I personally believe Casey was involved in Caylee’s death – either accidentally or on purpose – unfortunately the case, as presented by the prosecution and countered by the defense, was not strong enough for Casey to be found guilty on the major charges.
The reality of the matter is this – Caylee, died either accidentally, or maliciously via manslaughter or murder at the hand of her mother, Casey. The actually way Caylee died matters because that would determine whether Casey should spend years or decades or life in prison or whether she should be put to death for her actions. I do believe if the prosecution made a more effective presentation and went for more middle of the road charges such as involuntary manslaughter with aggravating circumstances, we would not be having this debate because Casey would have been escorted off to jail – convicted of at least one serious charge – which one I do not know but it would have been worthy of 10 – 20 years behind bars.
Getting back to last nights show – I am impressed, however, that Nancy made it for close to 30 minutes on her show talking about another child – a 5 month old little girl from Michigan who was reportedly abducted by her biological dad.
When Nancy finally started on Casey, Nancy was interrupted by every one of her guests when they responded with compound sentences – partially agreeing with Nancy, yet trying to voice an opposing viewpoint – and each time Nancy immediately went to someone else.
Some of you might be surprised to hear this, but Nancy is not an Assistant District Attorney any longer and if she were, the defense attorney would have objected to her constant interruptions last night. The amazing thing is that Nancy was interrupting her “witnesses” (guests) because they were deviating from what Nancy wanted them to say in unison.
To anyone reading this who truly is a fan of Nancy and feels that Nancy does NO wrong: If you recorded last nights show, please play back the two segments in the last part of the show when Nancy went to her producer and two guests and then a little later when she unleashed the lawyers – listen closely as Nancy interrupted ALL of them because they were not being bobble heads and you will see that EVERY one of them disagreed with Nancy – and they were NOT witnesses for the Defense – they were Nancy’s hand picked guests. WOW!